La metastasis financiera: camino a la perdicion

Los políticos son tan corruptibles como el que más, pero al menos estan sujetos a unos presupuestos, sus cuentas son auditadas, la oposición está al acecho y cada 4 años hay elecciones.

Pero, hay algo más opaco que un banco? alguien sabe qué se cuece en el consejo de administración de un banco? Se conoce el balance REAL y la salubridad de sus activos?
 
LoJaume dijo:
Los políticos son tan corruptibles como el que más, pero al menos estan sujetos a unos presupuestos, sus cuentas son auditadas, la oposición está al acecho y cada 4 años hay elecciones.

Pero, hay algo más opaco que un banco? alguien sabe qué se cuece en el consejo de administración de un banco? Se conoce el balance REAL y la salubridad de sus activos?

Me parece que va a ser salir de Guatemala para meterse en Guatepeor. Si hay dos términos antónimos son político y honrado. Lo de las elecciones y presupuestos... anda que no hay ejemplos en los últimos 30 años de que no son freno para nada. Cuanto más poder se concentre en un gobierno peor, más autoritarismo y más tiranía, aquí y en Vladivostok.
 
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Carpatos hablando del S&P500 ( IBEX americano de las 500 mejores empresas) y el soporte 860,




Todos los intentos de subida y la volatilidad de hoy es histórica. Vueltas amplísimas cada pocos minutos, y cuidado porque el S&P 500 juega a la ruleta rusa con el soporte mayor de mercado. Si se pierde ese soporte aquí arde Troya


eso lo decía antes que se perdiese el citado 860 , que acaba de perder ahorita mismo :inaudito
 
si aquí las cosas se han hecho tan bien que las ayudas al las entidades bancarias serán opacas, es decir que no sabremos que entidades acuden al fondo y al cambio de que. Igual que alemania, holanda...
Da que pensar
 
Amanecemos con temblores en las bases de nuestra sociedad de consumo...

O al menos con 2 cargos o ex-cargos importantes que ven esos temblores, y los temen.

Greenspan:
http://www.elcorreodigital.com/vizcaya/ ... 81024.html

Sarkozy:
http://www.urgente24.com/index.php?id=v ... 13b6841687

La verdad es que me parece normal, incluso bien, que opinen así. Pero me parece que no deberían proclamarlo a los cuatro vientos. Actuad, corregid, pero no sembreis el pánico, hombre.

Tremendamente significativo lo de Greenspan, que ha perdido la fe en el libre mercado. Bienvenido.
 
Dr.Lao dijo:
...¿y eso es muy grave? :?

Pon la escena de Eddie Murphy en "El chico de oro":
"...quiere que piense que no hay suelo, para que me asuste y me vaya...pero sí hay suelo!!!" Tira una moneda y se queda esperando a escuchar el tintineo contra el suelo. Pero no oye nada de nada. "Oye!!!! AQUÍ NO HAY SUELO!!!"


Originalmente Escrito por Cárpatos
21:42:56 h. Wall Street.

Rumores intensos entre los hedge de intervención de la mano de Dios o PPT, para defender el cierre por debajo del soporte 885 del S&P punto donde los hedges podrían empezar a vender de forma muy grave.

de burbuja, del hilo del IBEX35
Puntual como un reloj atómico. Es cumplir las 21:00 y a falta de una hora para el cierre la Mano de Dios entra al currar al destajo como un campeón.

Se lleva a los índices al verde. Viva el libre mercado!.

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Y os dejo un articulo muy muy interesante sobre cómo se siguieron las barbaridades financieras, pese a las advertencias recibidas desde Davos ya desde 2003, ignorando toda sugerencia para coger la sarten por el mango y reconducir la situacion.

Al final los reguladores habian perido la capacidad de control... ahora veremos porque va a haber carta blanca para la regulacion, y podrán hacerse otro tipo de atrocidades...

Siempre tarde. Demasiado tarde.

`Out of Control' Wall Street Chiefs Spurned Warnings at Davos 2008-10-23 23:01:00.60 GMT


By A. Craig Copetas
Oct. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Once upon a time, the World Economic Forum was the ultimate Wall Street jamboree.
Now, in the riptide of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, WEF officials and delegates say many of the chief executive officers who gathered in Davos, Switzerland, over the last five years didn't listen to warnings from their peers. Davos organizers also say they failed to play tough with the financial-industry bosses, opting to accept their funding and let them turn Davos into a rave-up for Wall Street excesses.
``The partying crept in,'' says Klaus Schwab, the 70-year- old WEF founder and executive chairman. ``We let it get out of control, and attention was taken away from the speed and complexity of how the world's challenges built up.''
The fallout has left the WEF riddled in buyer's remorse, with officials throughout the organization asking what they have wrought and, like Wall Street, whether they offered too much of a good thing.
Schwab says the delegates treated him like ``Cassandra'' whenever he questioned the logic of their wisdom on asset-price bubbles in housing, stocks and other financial instruments.
WEF Chief Operating Officer Kevin Steinberg says the vast sums of money that rolled in from Wall Street celebrities for marquee billing in Davos contributed to complacency among forum organizers and often obliged them to publicly massage the viewpoints, wishes and status of their superstar guests.
``We catered to what the financial leaders wanted: solo speaking slots, luxury hotels and VIP treatment we wouldn't afford anyone else,'' Steinberg, 38, says. ``We gave them a soapbox. It was all political. We try to minimize the politics, but can't.''

`Psychological Denial'

In his office outside Geneva, about a three-hour drive from Davos and overlooking the French Alps, Schwab says the WEF began issuing warnings in 2003 to investment banks, insurance companies and hedge funds about the systemic risk gnawing at the foundation of the global economy.
``But the financial community didn't listen,'' Schwab says. ``They were told that any serious look at the economic fundamentals showed that we were in an unstable situation. It was denial, total psychological denial.''
For next year, Schwab says his goal is to transform Davos into the ``Bretton Woods of the new millennium,'' a meeting targeted at establishing a fresh set of global rules for commercial and financial relations, much as the original Bretton Woods conference in New Hampshire did in the summer of 1944.

Ending the Merrymaking

As for the merrymaking, Schwab vows ``it won't happen again.'' Unlike Bretton Woods, companies will still pay as much as $750,000 each in annual fees to send executives to Davos.
William Browder, founder of Hermitage Capital Management Ltd. in London and an eight-year WEF veteran, isn't so sure Schwab can pull it off.
``An exercise in moderation is something the private sector doesn't do very well,'' Browder says.
Each January, global financial titans and their entourages gathered in the Alpine hamlet. A band of fluegelhorns wandered in hotel lobbies, heralding the arrival of delegates such as Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. CEO Richard Fuld Jr., Freddie Mac CEO Richard Syron and U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, along with starlets such as Angelina Jolie and Sharon Stone.
Bundled in cashmere coats and goose-down parkas, the WEF's 2,500 ``global leaders'' set off to attend a medley of 500 public and private sessions designed to isolate economic problems, clarify disturbing market trends and forge innovative solutions.

The Stunts

In the days leading up to the conference, volunteers in lederhosen draped the village with hundreds of white and blue banners that declared the 38-year-old conclave's purpose: ``Committed to Improving the State of the World.''
WEF organizers often pulled stunts to hoodwink delegates who preferred partying and meeting privately with clients over attending forum sessions.
In the ``Why Do Brains Sleep?'' meeting in 2007, a cadre of eminent psychologists and psychiatrists explored whether financial leaders got enough rest and ``what that tells us about the quality of their decision-making.''
To spur delegates into addressing financial-market alienation, a session in 2004 was held to discuss whether extraterrestrials had taken control of Wall Street.
The ruse didn't work.
Steinberg recalls the attitude among some of the delegates at Davos from 2003 through last January.

Didn't Listen

``It was clear irresponsibility on their part and it's more damning than anyone can imagine,'' says Steinberg, who has been with the WEF for more than a decade. The former McKinsey & Co. management consultant supervises the forum's finance-industry delegates.
``By 2003, the over-leveraging of the system was a serious topic of conversation, but the some 60 of WEF's corporate members from the financial world never had an understanding of how big a problem it was,'' Steinberg adds. ``We had assembled the world's greatest economic experts to confer with them, and the financial community was not aware of that expertise.''
In 2005, Schwab says WEF's delegates from Wall Street were eyebrow-deep in booming markets, easy money and intense pressure to take greater risks, borrow more and seek higher returns.
One of WEF's sessions that year was ``Spotting the Next Bubble Before It Bursts.'' Goldman Sachs Group Inc. CEO Lloyd Blankfein ran the meeting with Syron, then CEO of Freddie Mac, the now-discredited U.S. government-sponsored mortgage buyer and reseller that along with Fannie Mae in September required a $200 billion U.S. government bailout.

Spotting Bubbles

The Blankfein-Syron mission: ``Spotting where and when the next bubbles are likely to occur and how we can get better at spotting and resisting bubbles,'' according to the program.
Yet Wall Street ignored the solutions offered at the meeting, says WEF Senior Director W. Lee Howell, 44, whose office created the session.
``I often wonder how many members were actually listening to what was being said,'' Howell says. ``I know the American financial community didn't show up in Davos to listen.''
Another ``bubble'' session the following January looked at real estate and was led by Stephen Roach, then Morgan Stanley's chief economist, who now is chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia Ltd.
``A sharp decline in housing prices could have a tremendous impact on the global economy; in the U.S. alone, 40 percent of new jobs since 2001 have been related to the housing sector. With low interest rates and excess liquidity, other bubbles may follow,'' the program read.

Divide, Conquer

Steinberg says the most-discussed housing issue among some delegates centered on Davos's Belvedere Hotel, where corporate chieftains and their deputies were ``more interested in entering into bidding wars to secure the biggest party room than they were in attending sessions held there.''
As Steinberg tells it, Wall Street arrived in Davos with a ``divide-and-conquer strategy'' that focused on using WEF to woo new clients and ``launch sales campaigns'' instead of ``collectively taking action to mitigate the evident systemic risk.''
The five-day annual forum, which also attracts scholars and scientists, has always been eclectic. Racing Audis on the ice of a nearby lake and attending snow-polo matches in St. Moritz have been popular diversions. The dress code was casual, and the garb of Wall Street, Schwab says, was perhaps unsuited to the cold and candid camaraderie of Davos. ``There is a certain discomfort with snow,'' Schwab says.

Storm Flags

Steinberg says there were scores of ``intelligent people'' raising storm flags in Davos for the last five years.
In 2007, former U.S. Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers warned of complacency. He returned to the village in 2008 to say ``a cascading loss of confidence'' threatened to paralyze the global economy, comparing the market mood with the economic sentiment that prevailed just before World War I.
Guidance was offered by monetary-policy makers such as European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet and Bundesbank President Axel Weber as well as economic wise men, including Yale University Professor Robert Shiller, U.S. Congressman Barney Frank and World Bank Director of Governance and Anti-Corruption Daniel Kaufmann. Such advice was swatted away by American confidence salesmen such as Michael Klein, co- president of Citigroup Inc.'s investment-banking unit, and David Rubenstein, managing director at the Carlyle Group buyout firm.
``I warned them all about global risk and the abusive nature of their actions, but they had no incentive to change,'' says Kaufmann, recalling his seven years as a global leader at Davos. ``And why should they have listened to us? I see it with my 10- year-old daughter, who scolds me because I don't put the garbage in the correct bin. Let's not delude ourselves. It's impossible to teach old dogs and investment bankers new tricks unless you change the incentive structure.''

The `Animals'

``It was all laid out in Davos,'' says WEF delegate Daniel Loeb, 46, owner of Third Point LLC, a New York-based hedge fund. ``The investment bankers got so caught up in competing with each other that they used the place to schmooze, instead of actually learning about what was going on in the world.''
Howell describes the Davos attendees in zoological terms:
``The investment banks, private-equity funds, hedge funds and insurance companies were the animals Davos was most fascinated with. But they were exotic animals that people who ran these businesses never took the time to grasp what the world at large thought they knew.''
 
Hombre... si tenemos en cuenta que fue bajo el mandato de Greenspan cuando se gestó todo el magma de esta erupción, sin que el pobre se diera ni cuenta de lo que estaba ocurriendo, y que Sarkozy es un bocachancla antes que otra cosa... pues no sé yo si sus opiniones tienen que resultarnos siquiera mínimamente interesantes.
Pero vamos, ...que aquí cualquier persona u organización es muy libre de decir públicamente cosas muy serias. ¿Quiénes serán los próximos?, ...¿los de Payasos Sin Fronteras?



Voy a ponerme un cafelito.
 
Si... y Greenspan estaba bajo juramento, así que... pero vamos, antes era un dios incuestionable, y mira ahora, todos a por él.

Tarde y mal.
 
FELIZ ANIVERSARIO:

24 de Octubre de 1929: inicio del crack de la bolsa. Fue el Jueves negro

¿ como lo celebrarán las bolsas? :mmmh
 
Cárpatos: Ahora mismo:
Cita:
Hoy destacamos

Situación Intradía
Cierre bolsas
Rumores intensos de que Wall Street podría no abrir sus puertas. No se si son verdad o no, pero el rumor corre como la pólvora.
 
24 de octubre de 1929 y el 24 de octubre de 1987, las dos peores sesiones de la bolsa de Wall Street

hoy 24 de octubre de 2008..... :mcallo :? :inaudito
 
pre-apertura de Wall street -10%

Azaris, no te pierdas hoy el hilo del IBEX35 de burbuja :babas


edito . pre-
 
Hace 6 meses seis, El Excelentísimo Sr, Don Jose Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, Presidente del Gobierno de España, afirmó en su discurso de investidura que esta, sería la legislatura del Pleno Empleo. Hemerotecas dixit.
 
Dijo tantas cosas... :doh ¿Como era esa que dijeron también? :? ¡Ah, si! Los españoles no se merecen un gobierno que miente. :yes

Manu1oo1
 
Kores dijo:
Hace 6 meses seis, El Excelentísimo Sr, Don Jose Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, Presidente del Gobierno de España, afirmó en su discurso de investidura que esta, sería la legislatura del Pleno Empleo.
:? ...y ya se ha acabado!?, ...la legislatura, digo.
Ya que estás, ...¿podrías decirme quién ganará la liga en la temporada 2011-2012?
Gracias :ok
 
Dr.Lao dijo:
Kores dijo:
Hace 6 meses seis, El Excelentísimo Sr, Don Jose Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, Presidente del Gobierno de España, afirmó en su discurso de investidura que esta, sería la legislatura del Pleno Empleo.
:? ...y ya se ha acabado!?, ...la legislatura, digo.
Ya que estás, ...¿podrías decirme quién ganará la liga en la temporada 2011-2012?
Gracias :ok

No, no se ha acabado, pero mal vamos así.
Y la liga no se quien va a ganarla, pero lo que no voy a hacer (como ZP) es decirla quien va a ganar, y cuando vea que no van a hacerlo (porque están en los puestos de descenso) es negarlo todo y cuando no haya más remedio decir que sí, que la hay, y que quien me critique es antipatriot y cosas así.
 
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