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Los lanzamientos de Universal Pictures los audios en Castellano vienen así. es curioso.
UHD Blu-ray y HDR. Lanzamientos y ediciones
- Autor Atreyub
- Fecha de inicio
¿En Blu-ray dices?
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En Netflix dependiendo del plan que tengas tienes EAC3 a 192Kbps y Atmos a 448Kbps (Desde el de 14€ para bajo), hay un plan superior que solo les sale algunos al contratar que ese plan cuesta 16,99€ y trae EAC3 640Kbps y el Atmos es igual a 448Kbps.
Sonix
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Sí.
Creo que se refiere a que en otros países si existe ese plan y es limitado solo para algunos usuarios.
Disculpa mi desconocimiento el EAC3 es AC3?
Última edición:
Esto ya me parece lo más total del surrealismo, porque que eres tú el único problemático aqui lo dejas muy claro cuando tú mismo admites q te cuesta seguir lo q hablamos en los hilos por la cantidad de ignorados que tienes en tu lista. De verdad haztelo mirar xq es muy heavy q creeas que el problema lo tienen los demás cuando es solo tuyo.
¿Hay algún sitio donde se confirme todo eso?
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¡Gracias!
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Si que existe pero les sale a muy poca gente, aqui puedes ver lo que digo.
Noticia
Aparte que por la red hay web-dl bajado de Netflix y desencriptado con EAC3 a 640.
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Le has podido ya echar un vistazo?
Pana 824 y Samsung Q9 !!!! Qué tal esa combinación?
Saludos
Estos días se está hablando en la ISDCF (del que soy miembro) de temas sobre resolución en el cine digital y sobre todo un debate muy interesante de porqué se decidió establecer una resolución como 2048 pixeles de ancho y no 1920. Entre las respuestas menos técnicas encontramos algo muy interesante...en realidad era una forma de "despegarse" del HD televisivo, una decisión como igualar la resolución al HD, dejaría un poco en mal lugar al CINE, que supuestamente debería estar en todo lo alto de la cadena.
Una decisión política y gubernamental, porque en realidad la diferencia entre 1920 y 2048 es marginal, pero eh!, a uno se le denomina HD y al otro "2K" que tiene más glamour y caché. Cosas de política, ya véis.
Y de pronto surge alguien muy muy conocido en éstos ámbitos (del cual voy a omitir su nombre) y suelta un speech con el que no solo estoy al 100% de acuerdo sino que refuerza todo el argumentario sobre el que he opinado muchas veces en foros y que ha creado no poca controversia siempre que ha surgido el tema.
Lo posteo tal cual (extractos, no todo obviamente), porque es realmente interesante. Está en Inglés, of course, así que evitar usar traductores porque a veces malinterpretan el sentido de algunas frases. Sí he puesto en negritas lo que más me parece relevante:
Una decisión política y gubernamental, porque en realidad la diferencia entre 1920 y 2048 es marginal, pero eh!, a uno se le denomina HD y al otro "2K" que tiene más glamour y caché. Cosas de política, ya véis.
Y de pronto surge alguien muy muy conocido en éstos ámbitos (del cual voy a omitir su nombre) y suelta un speech con el que no solo estoy al 100% de acuerdo sino que refuerza todo el argumentario sobre el que he opinado muchas veces en foros y que ha creado no poca controversia siempre que ha surgido el tema.
Lo posteo tal cual (extractos, no todo obviamente), porque es realmente interesante. Está en Inglés, of course, así que evitar usar traductores porque a veces malinterpretan el sentido de algunas frases. Sí he puesto en negritas lo que más me parece relevante:
One of the reasons for that is that most frames of moving pictures
are not very sharp anyway, often under 1K actually, regardless the
resolution of the camera. This is because of the use of long exposure
times and motion blur.
Here is an experiment you can do at home: Take a blu-ray from your
collection, and (this is important) browse to your favorite scene
(not a test chart!), and freeze an actual frame of that very killer
scene you like so much with your favorite actor/actress in action! I
bet he/she is probably moving (Be it a little or a lot). Now zoom in
on that frame and assess resolution on the main subject (not the
background). To measure more than 1K resolution on a blu-ray HD 1920
image adjacent pixels must be differentiated on a single row or
column of pixels. If adjacent pixels are the same, or almost the
same, because the subject _or_ the camera moved even a single pixel
during the 1/48th of exposure, then the actual resolution of the
image at hand is 1K (or less). And you will note that this is true
for many, if not most image frames in commercial movies. And 1K
images, shot/projected at 1K, 2K or 4K will be just 1K. The 4K
projector will allow you to see a smoother result (with less annoying
visible projector pixels) but the image (content) resolution is still
the same.
The reason why most cinema images are unsharp is because of a
mandatory countermeasure implemented to counter excessive strobing.
24 fps is well beneath what could be called an adequate frame rate,
from a vision science point of view, and therefore strong measures
are mandatory to avoid excessive strobing/judder.
The main countermeasure applied in cinema is motion blur, created by
using a long exposure time per frame. With 'long' I mean: 1/48th of a
second, which is several orders of magnitude longer than what a still
photographer would use, to get detailed, fine and sharp image of a
moving subject.
But we have no choice because 24 fps presentation simply does not
allow to present sharp images and movement at the same time.
Impossible. It is either one, or the other. If we try to present
both, then it strobes. Images must be either static, or fuzzy. Sharp
images that move, are forbidden in our medium, by rules of physics.
Giving the images a long exposure time is convenient because it will
automatically record sharp images as soon as movement is absent, and
make the images unsharp as soon as anything moves. And it is
proportional too: the more movement, the more unsharp the images get,
conveniently counteracting the strobing.
The downside, however, it that this method renders most cinema image
frames unsharp, as the idea was that the majority of cinema images
would move.
A fixed test chart for evaluating image resolution of a moving
picture system is maybe not actually that relevant after all. When I
shoot a movie then I most often shoot talent. He/she generally moves.
And so do I with my camera. The test chart does not. So the question
can be asked: Is the test with the chart actually relevant to what I
actually intend to use that camera for?
There _is_ a way, to make movies with high resolution. At frame rates
above 48 fps, strobing goes away altogether, and any exposure time,
regardless how short, will work without strobing. Now we can make the
images as sharp as we want, also when they move.
However, there is a catch. If we use this, then that cinema will look
different. It may require some re-thinking of storytelling, and
learning to actually use the new features that will become available
to us. And some long standing rules and methods might not apply in
the same ways any more.
Woow, that's scary! And indeed it is. But it is also exiting and a
way to progress. Progress always has been a bit scary. But also a way
forward. Making images that are in high resolution, also while they
move, is an important change to the medium. We are not used to that
in cinema. It requires not only higher frame rates and shorter
shutter times, it will probably also require some thinking and
research, development and invention in film language and
storytelling. But I think we can do that. I am sure. We already
managed for sound, color, 3D, etc.... :-)
are not very sharp anyway, often under 1K actually, regardless the
resolution of the camera. This is because of the use of long exposure
times and motion blur.
Here is an experiment you can do at home: Take a blu-ray from your
collection, and (this is important) browse to your favorite scene
(not a test chart!), and freeze an actual frame of that very killer
scene you like so much with your favorite actor/actress in action! I
bet he/she is probably moving (Be it a little or a lot). Now zoom in
on that frame and assess resolution on the main subject (not the
background). To measure more than 1K resolution on a blu-ray HD 1920
image adjacent pixels must be differentiated on a single row or
column of pixels. If adjacent pixels are the same, or almost the
same, because the subject _or_ the camera moved even a single pixel
during the 1/48th of exposure, then the actual resolution of the
image at hand is 1K (or less). And you will note that this is true
for many, if not most image frames in commercial movies. And 1K
images, shot/projected at 1K, 2K or 4K will be just 1K. The 4K
projector will allow you to see a smoother result (with less annoying
visible projector pixels) but the image (content) resolution is still
the same.
The reason why most cinema images are unsharp is because of a
mandatory countermeasure implemented to counter excessive strobing.
24 fps is well beneath what could be called an adequate frame rate,
from a vision science point of view, and therefore strong measures
are mandatory to avoid excessive strobing/judder.
The main countermeasure applied in cinema is motion blur, created by
using a long exposure time per frame. With 'long' I mean: 1/48th of a
second, which is several orders of magnitude longer than what a still
photographer would use, to get detailed, fine and sharp image of a
moving subject.
But we have no choice because 24 fps presentation simply does not
allow to present sharp images and movement at the same time.
Impossible. It is either one, or the other. If we try to present
both, then it strobes. Images must be either static, or fuzzy. Sharp
images that move, are forbidden in our medium, by rules of physics.
Giving the images a long exposure time is convenient because it will
automatically record sharp images as soon as movement is absent, and
make the images unsharp as soon as anything moves. And it is
proportional too: the more movement, the more unsharp the images get,
conveniently counteracting the strobing.
The downside, however, it that this method renders most cinema image
frames unsharp, as the idea was that the majority of cinema images
would move.
A fixed test chart for evaluating image resolution of a moving
picture system is maybe not actually that relevant after all. When I
shoot a movie then I most often shoot talent. He/she generally moves.
And so do I with my camera. The test chart does not. So the question
can be asked: Is the test with the chart actually relevant to what I
actually intend to use that camera for?
There _is_ a way, to make movies with high resolution. At frame rates
above 48 fps, strobing goes away altogether, and any exposure time,
regardless how short, will work without strobing. Now we can make the
images as sharp as we want, also when they move.
However, there is a catch. If we use this, then that cinema will look
different. It may require some re-thinking of storytelling, and
learning to actually use the new features that will become available
to us. And some long standing rules and methods might not apply in
the same ways any more.
Woow, that's scary! And indeed it is. But it is also exiting and a
way to progress. Progress always has been a bit scary. But also a way
forward. Making images that are in high resolution, also while they
move, is an important change to the medium. We are not used to that
in cinema. It requires not only higher frame rates and shorter
shutter times, it will probably also require some thinking and
research, development and invention in film language and
storytelling. But I think we can do that. I am sure. We already
managed for sound, color, 3D, etc.... :-)
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Giouco Piano
Le has podido ya echar un vistazo?
Pana 824 y Samsung Q9 !!!! Qué tal esa combinación?
Saludos
Con tu permiso hago mias tus reflexiones...y añado: “Si me pinchan no me sale ni sangre”.
Jeje efectivamente he utilizado un Panasonic UB824 y una Samsung Qutre9, todo certificadito como mandas los cánones más elementales de marketing para que el logo HDR10+ haga acto de aparición en pantalla y la paja mental sea total y plenamente satisfactoria...hasta con líquido viscoso saliéndome por las orejas y todo jajaja
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Giouco Piano
Un petit favor y HELL FEST (que luce de collons) en FULL UHD CUSTOM con Dolby Vision, en el lugar de confianza. Una pena que el Oppo se atragante con ella
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Giouco Piano
Por lo que me han contado a otro y a mí se nos ha quedado congelada la imagen con el Oppo, por lo que creo es un problema del reproductor, no del custom full.
Esto es fenomenal porque tendremos con metadatos dinámicos y Castellano todo lo que no salga en España sin castellano, cosa que antes no teníamos, e incluso imagino que los futuribles HDR10+ también jeje
Por cierto, es seguro actualizar el Oppo jeje?
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Yo no lo he actualizado a la beta, porque sin TV compatible con hdr10+ no me merece la pena actualizar a una versión beta.
Cuando sea la versión final y estable entonces lo haré.
Hay mucha gente que lo ha hecho, y !es funciona bien, pero también en avforums están reportando fallos a oppo e incluso oppo les ha enviado directamente una beta 2 que no ha salido para cubrir los errores reportados.
Entonces en mi caso me espero a que salga la oficial
Lo que si voy a probar es grabar el full uhd custom en un bdxl y ver que tal se comporta el Panasonic 900
Ya os mantendré informados
Cuando sea la versión final y estable entonces lo haré.
Hay mucha gente que lo ha hecho, y !es funciona bien, pero también en avforums están reportando fallos a oppo e incluso oppo les ha enviado directamente una beta 2 que no ha salido para cubrir los errores reportados.
Entonces en mi caso me espero a que salga la oficial
Lo que si voy a probar es grabar el full uhd custom en un bdxl y ver que tal se comporta el Panasonic 900
Ya os mantendré informados
spyman
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Justamente eso es lo que queria que alguien comprobara para saber si funciona bien sin las congelaciones que tiene el Oppo.
Mi primera impresión, porque solo me ha dado tiempo a ver cinco minutos, pues me he ido al trabajo, es que en disco físico el pana 900 se está tragando la película Pequeño favor, al menos no se me ha congelado en el mismo punto que en el oppo. La ire probando este finde y os digo algo.
También igual cuando el oppo tenga el firmware nuevo, igual no se atasca
También probare por dlna en el Panasonic tanto 900 como 9000
Saludos
También igual cuando el oppo tenga el firmware nuevo, igual no se atasca
También probare por dlna en el Panasonic tanto 900 como 9000
Saludos
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Giouco Piano
Yo he probado, no entera, HELL FEST, y en el Oppo en Dolby se me congela pero en HDR10 hasta donde he visto ha ido del tirón. A ver si esta noche saco fuerzas de flaqueza y me la pongo entera en HDR10, total si me duermo cuando me despierte veremos si se ha quedado congelada o no.
También probaré le de “pequeño favor” que también trae Dolby...
También probaré le de “pequeño favor” que también trae Dolby...
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Giouco Piano
Anoche probé el custom full de Pequeño favor y en DV se paró la imagen. En HDR10 durante el rato que aguante despierto fue bien
Entonces es posible que el fallo esté en la implementación en el custom de DV.
Yo probaré hoy de nuevo en el oppo forzando hdr10 para ver si no se para la imagen.
En el Panasonic 900 el disco grabado en bdxl de pequeño favor, no se me ha parado en el rato que lo tuve puesto, claro que este repro no puede leer DV, la pena es que el 9000 no se trague los bdxl.
Por red en el pana 900 no consegui acceder a la pista que contiene la película de ninguno de los dos custom.
El oppo sin embargo como me lee el full uhd con menus incluidos, se las traga pero se atraganta y se congela, al menos con pequeño favor, luego tratare de ver hell fest
Saludos
Yo probaré hoy de nuevo en el oppo forzando hdr10 para ver si no se para la imagen.
En el Panasonic 900 el disco grabado en bdxl de pequeño favor, no se me ha parado en el rato que lo tuve puesto, claro que este repro no puede leer DV, la pena es que el 9000 no se trague los bdxl.
Por red en el pana 900 no consegui acceder a la pista que contiene la película de ninguno de los dos custom.
El oppo sin embargo como me lee el full uhd con menus incluidos, se las traga pero se atraganta y se congela, al menos con pequeño favor, luego tratare de ver hell fest
Saludos