Dolby Atmos

Y no me refiero a "gandallada" técnica. Si no a que si ya el 5.1 en el hogar subsiste por los sistemas "mierderos"...a ver cómo implementan atmos en esos equipos mierderos.

Que ya digo que me parece perfecta la innovación, pero es como pretender ir en Ferrari para hacer la compra. No lo veo para el usuario medio.
 
Y yo siento mucho ser un aguafiestas, pero un servidor con sala dedicada de proyección, veo ridículo todo esto.

Otro invento nuevo para intentar hacernos creer que nuestros receptores están obsoletos.

¿Cual es la utilidad en una película para sentir que los tiros, las explosiones o los helicópteros se mueven alrededor de nuestras cabezas?

Las bandas sonoras han de estar al servicio de las historias, cuando toman protagonismo pasas de ver una película a una atracción de feria.

Con todo mi respeto a los que les ilusione esto. Pero con la HD tanto de vídeo como de audio tal y como la tenemos va más que sobrada en instalaciones caseras para disfrutar del cine en altísima calidad.
 
Bueno, pero eso ya es tema de cada uno. La tecnología está ahí. Cada uno que quiera implementarla si quiere.

También a finales de año vamos a ver un móvil con sonido Dolby Atmos (a través de auriculares) ¿Están locos?. Pues no. Creo que saben bien lo que hacen.

Repito, que cada uno compre lo que más le guste y esté al alcance de su bolsillo.
 
Las películas de acción para mí son un divertimento. Si ese divertimento lo puedo tener en sonido 3D, bienvenido sea.

Que cada uno ponga el sistema de sonido que le de la gana, Dolby ni nadie impone nada. Ofrece algo innovador que nadie más había hecho.

Esto es como el 3D y el tener una pantalla grande.

Si lo que te interesa es la historia de lo que te cuentan, puedes verte la peli en un móvil, subtitulada. Claro. Lo importante es la historia, lo demás está en segundo plano si la historia es una mierda. Sí, es así.

Pero uno busca algo más (en mi caso). Cuando la historia "no da para más", la balanza se inclina hacia otras cosas. Y aún teniendo una historia decente, ¿que problema hay de tener un sonido 3D que te haga estar DENTRO de la misma?.

Y eso que yo DEFIENDO siempre que el 90% del sonido debe salir exclusivamente por los canales LCR. Pero también se distinguir entre eso y un SONIDO AMBIENTAL posicionado en 3D, que me permita meterme dentro de la propuesta audiovisual. AUDIOvisual.
 
Pero si más menos estamos de acuerdo.

Si por mi fuera, pongo Atmos, 20K y lo que convenga. Mi opinión va en el sentido que me parece una mejora técnica que no va a ser percibida por el usuario medio, o en todo caso, no creo que la demande porque dudo que la perciba. Un usuario medio percibe pasar de una pantalla de 40" a un de 55", pero no de una HD a una 4K (obviando el marketing)...igual que nota pasar de un sistema 2.0 a uno 5.1...pero dudo que note pasar de un Dolby 5.1 a un Atmos 9.1.4.
 
¿Has escuchado alguna vez una peli en Atmos?. ¿Te parece mejor que el 5.1 habitual?

Si es así, Atmos@Home probablemente no te defraude.

En caso contrario, olvídate del tema.
 
Cuestionar Atmos en equipos domésticos lo veo comprensible pero cuestionarlo como sistema de sonido envolvente me parece de una total estrechez de miras.

No creo que nadie discuta la validez de los sistemas 5.1, pero pensar en Atmos como en un sistema de sonido que simplemente añade altavoces en el techo es un importante error de base. Atmos es un sistema de sonido envolvente que puede posicionar sonido en 3 dimensiones con bastante precisión.

En su máxima expresión, Dolby Atmos puede manejar hasta 64 altavoces y que cada uno de ellos reciba un canal de sonido independiente perfectamente posicionado. Las posibilidades de un equipo así en salas grandes son formidables y con el añadido de que se puede escalar a casi cualquier configuración de altavoces para salas medianas o pequeñas.

Y el objetivo de todo esto se puede resumir en una palabra: inmersión. Inmersión como sinónimo de meterte en la película y no de lo contrario.

Eso no significa que se vaya a aprovechar por igual en todo tipo de películas ya que también depende de las intenciones y pericia tanto de los ingenieros de mezclas como del director, pero ese no es un motivo para cuestionar la tecnología, que es la herramienta.

Pero, claro, yo ya he visto unas cuantas películas con sonido Dolby Atmos. Lo mismo eso también cuenta a la hora de hablar del tema.
 
Cuestionar Atmos en equipos domésticos lo veo comprensible pero cuestionarlo como sistema de sonido envolvente me parece de una total estrechez de miras.
No creo que nadie lo cuestione como sistema de sonido. En mi caso, cuestiono su uso en un entorno doméstico a falta de escucharlo en dicho entorno, no por su mayor o menor complejidad técnica (seguro que encuentran solución para todo), si no por su aparatosidad y porque el usuario medio no lo apreciará.
 
Yo, a pesar de estar a la espera para creermelo, pienso que los altavoces de techo son más fáciles de poner en cualquier sitio y son más discretos.

King, tu que eres jugón deberías de valorar esto mas que nadie, siempre esperando a ver los resultados ;)


:hola
 
Si tenemos en cuenta que casi nadie cuenta en casa con instalaciones 7.1, y mira que llevan años en el mercado, como para añadir más altavoces....

Lo de los sistemas que reflejan el sonido es como las barras de sonido, dan el pego si no eres muy exigente, pero no son lo mismo que un 5.1 real.
 
Esto me recuerda a la app esa de Hans Zimmer con DTS Headphone X para tener sonido envolvente con los auriculares. Basura muy dura. Pero de todas formas no estoy informado así que ya leeré como se están planteando esto, de momento lo que os he leído huele a marketing de producto muerto a lo 3D de los 80.
 
Yo, a pesar de estar a la espera para creermelo, pienso que los altavoces de techo son más fáciles de poner en cualquier sitio y son más discretos.

King, tu que eres jugón deberías de valorar esto mas que nadie, siempre esperando a ver los resultados ;)


:hola
Lo soy, pero en cuestión de cine, hace años que la pirotecnia audiovisual me aparta de lo que más me gusta que son las buenas historias.
 
Pues depende de los gustos, pero ver ESDLA o El Hobit con un audio de estos bien resuelto a 4K tiene que ser orgásmico y no solo no te va a desviar de la historia, sino que te aportará mayor inmersión.

No creo que se pueda definir esto como fuegos artificiales. Podríamos ver perfectamente una buena pelicula en stereo, pero esto es una mejora más, tómalo como eso y te lo dice alguien que es más, mucho más, de video que de audio. ;)


:hola
 
Otra occion para no poner al techo altavoces juas

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Elite+Speakers/Turn+your+Home+into+a+Home+Theater



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A mi esto, domésticamente, me parece idiota... si no se hacen las cosas bien (que no se harán).


Empezarán a vender topes de gama Atmos, y el año que viene los de 250€ también.


El 90% del cine te lo da el equipo calibrado. Si para poner el logo Atmos obligasen a tener un sistema de correción de sala con ciertas prestaciones, compraría. Pero como no va a ser así, no dejará de ser un sacacuartos.



:hola
 
Si esto sirve para que el 7.1 se estandarice, bien venido sea. Y el atmos, pues el tiempo dira...

Ojala sea tan bueno como para plantearme el cambio, aunque sinceramente, poca esperanza... al menos para los audios en castellano.
 
Yo soy de la opinión de que esto es otro saca cuartos.
Mis argumentos.
a) En la mayoría de peliculas no se distingue un 5.1 normal de un hd-master.
b) Si no habíamos normalizado el calibrador MultEQ XT32 en todo equipo aunque sea baratero que eso si es lo que realmente ayuda a escuchar mejor... como pasamos al ATMOS diractamente?

Quiero decir... Yo no creo que haya mucha gente con más de un 5.1. Es la forma de pensar de esta gente... Si les creo la necesidad de un 7.1 van a pillar mas altavoces y venderé mas y eso influye también a la hora de comprar el receptor... Habra peña que solo porque lleve ATMOS pagara top gamas.

Lo que no saben es que hay una crisis y a explotado muchas burbujas y esa técnica que funcionaba hace escasos años no puede funcionar a día de hoy y la gente no tiene pasta que gastarse.

Un saludo
 
a) En la mayoría de peliculas no se distingue un 5.1 normal de un hd-master.
Es que no debería notarse la diferencia salvo que el 5.1 normal esté mal codificado.

b) Si no habíamos normalizado el calibrador MultEQ XT32 en todo equipo aunque sea baratero que eso si es lo que realmente ayuda a escuchar mejor... como pasamos al ATMOS diractamente?
Atmos, por su diseño, debe llevar una ecualización en tiempo real en su núcleo. Lo que ya no sé es si será tan fantabulosa como Audissey. Supongo que si, pero hasta que no lo probemos...
 
Más info cogida de un foro donde soy asiduo lector:

Home Atmos can support 24 speaker outputs for the room and 10 for the ceiling/overhead.

"Obvious things missing from the home version of Dolby Atmos:
• No additional sub-bass channels for the fronts or surrounds.
• No option for 5 stage channels of speakers."

Just to be clear, there is no additional LFE channel in theatrical Atmos... since bass management has been a requirement for DD AVR's since it's introduction, I can't see how you can qualify this as a difference... if an AVR manufacturer wants to add a discrete second sub output that is up to them.

And theatrical Atmos doesn't support 5 screen channels via the bed channels... if you want to access them you must present the audio as an object....

Since Dolby has stated that the processors can support unto 24 channels "on the floor" there should be no reason you won't be able to add as many as you want along the front wall and a panning object will act the same as it does in a theater.

The big "if" is that they haven't yet released information on how flexible the rendering engine will be in terms of speaker placement when you exceed 7 floor channels....

This first generation of AVR's shouldn't be taken as an indication of what the maximum capabilities of the Home Atmos iteration are.

The biggest difference between the two at this time is the loss of the 2 overhead array channels in the object bed (7.1 at the home vs. 9.1 for the theater...)

I suspect that the OH bed channels will be converted to objects as needed...

I've heard a demo of the system in the 7.1.4 configuration and it was really impressive... both with overhead and Elevation (reflected sound module) speakers...
 
A Guide to Dolby Atmos in the Home

You may have seen the coverage of Dolby Atmos recently and wondered what all the fuss was about?
Well we're here to help, with our guide to everything you needed to know about Dolby Atmos but were afraid to ask!


What is Dolby Atmos?

Atmos is an entirely new audio system developed by Dolby, that fundamentally changes the way sound is designed for films and presented in the cinema. Atmos uses an object based approach to sound design, rather than just channels, which Dolby feels gives filmmakers greater creative freedom in terms of surrounding the audience.

To help deliver this vision, Atmos equipped cinemas have side speakers that start from the edge of the screen and go all around the auditorium, additional subwoofers and two speaker arrays going directly overhead. Since its launch Atmos has been installed on over 650 screens in 40 countries, including 9 screens in the UK, and 120 films have been made with Dolby Atmos soundtracks, including Gravity, Godzilla and X-Men: Days of Future Past.

We covered the digital release of the last film in that list in detail in our article Digital Cinema: Deluxe, Dolby and Days of Future Past

If you're interested in knowing more about the history of Dolby, you can read about our article Dolby - Making films sound better for over 40 years

For a more detailed explanation of Dolby Atmos in the cinema, you can read our in-depth article Dolby Atmos - Giving film soundtracks a new objective


Atmos is Dolby's new 'object-based' sound system that has been developed for both the cinema and the home.



How is Atmos different than typical channel-based home cinema systems?

Atmos is the first home cinema system that is based not on channels, but on audio objects. What is an audio object? Any sound heard in a movie scene - a helicopter taking off, for example - is an audio object. Filmmakers using Dolby Atmos can decide exactly where the sound of this helicopter should originate and precisely where it should move as the scene develops. Thinking about sound in this way eliminates many of the limitations of channel-based audio. In a channel-based system, filmmakers have to think about the speaker setup - should the sound of the helicopter come from the left rear surrounds or the left side surrounds? With Atmos, filmmakers just have to think about the story and simply where is the helicopter going within the dimensional space of the film itself?

The Dolby Atmos system, whether in the cinema or in the home, is designed to determine what speakers to use to precisely recreate the helicopter’s movement in the way the filmmakers intend. As a result Atmos is also far more flexible and adaptable than channel-based home cinema systems. In a channel-based system with channel-based content, the number of speakers is fixed - a 7.1 system always consists of seven speakers and one subwoofer. In contrast, Atmos provides greater flexibility - you can get the full experience with just seven speakers or get an even richer, more detailed sound by adding more speakers. As you add speakers, a Dolby Atmos enabled receiver will automatically determine how to use them to create the most immersive sound field.


If Dolby Atmos allows me to add more speakers, why do I see AV receivers with just 9 channels?

Many of Dolby's hardware partners are building or planning to build Atmos enabled A/V receivers and speakers. It is obviously up to those partners to decide what product configurations make the most sense for their customers. But the Atmos system itself is almost unlimited. If you have the space and budget, you can build an Atmos system with as many as 24 speakers on the floor and 10 overhead speakers and some of Dolby's partners are planning on releasing products that support up to 32 channels.





How will Dolby Atmos be delivered in the home?

In the home, Dolby Atmos will be delivered via suitably equipped AV processors and receivers. So far almost all the major manufacturers of AV receivers have announced support for Atmos, with Onkyo, Denon, Pioneer and Yamaha lining up Atmos capable models for the autumn. All of these new receivers will offer Dolby Atmos decoding, either out-of-the-box or via a firmware upgrade, although which particular configuration will depend on the outputs and on-board channels of amplification on the receiver itself. However, with prices ranging from £1,399 to £2,199 there should be a Dolby Atmos capable receiver to suit all pockets.

In the case of Onkyo their Atmos enabled models are the TX-NR1030, TX-NR3030 network AV receivers, and the PR-SC5530 Network AV Controller, which are set to launch Stateside in August. The TX-NR1030 supports up to 9 channels while both the TX-NR3030 and PR-SC5530 support up to 11 channels of audio. Other Onkyo products which will feature Atmos include the HT-S7700 and HT-S9700THX all-in-one systems, along with the SKS-HT693 and SKH-410 speaker packages. It has also been reported that current models such as the TX-NR636, TX-NR737 and TX-NR838 will be Atmos enabled via a firmware update.

Not to be outdone, Denon will be launching the AVR-X4100W and AVR-X5200W in September both of which will support Atmos and have the processing power to run a 9 channel configuration. Pioneer will also be joining the Atmos party in Sptember, with the launch of the SC-LX88, SC-LX78 and SC-LX58, all of which are 9 channel designs and Atmos capable. Finally Yamaha announced that they will be releasing the RX-A3040 and RX-A2040 in September and both of these receivers will support Atmos out-of-the-box. As far as processors go, they only Atmos enabled one announced so far is the Trinnov Audio Altitude 32, which offers a staggering 32 channels for a full Atmos cinema setup at home!


Atmos is very flexible allowing you to go from a 9-channel configuration up to one that uses a whopping 32 channels!



Do I need more speakers?

The short answer is yes. One of the main attributes of Dolby Atmos is that it uses overhead speakers, so in order to achieve the desired affect you will need to add at least two speakers to the ceiling. For the full Atmos configuration you will need four but the good news is that you don't need to hang big bookshelf speakers over your head. The smaller speakers that form part of a sub-sat system would be ideal for overhead speakers. They don't weigh too much, usually include wall mounts, should be easy to fit and remain 'relatively' unobtrusive. Whether you need to use two or four will depend on the Atmos configuration you choose and ultimately how many channels of amplification your new receiver has but, aside from some cable management, it's certainly feasible to add overhead speakers.

Feasible but not necessarily desirable, especially where partners are concerned. It can often be hard enough to convince your better half that you need five or seven speakers in the lounge, let along four more on the ceiling. It's fair to assume that the addition of overhead speakers is better suited to a dedicated home cinema and any husband hanging speakers from the ceiling is likely to find himself in the dog house fairly quickly. Dolby and their partners realise this and have developed a compromise, which they have christened Atmos-enabled speakers.

These speakers will replace your existing front and rear speakers and have built-in upward firing drivers to bounce the overhead channels off the ceiling to create the effect of overhead speakers without resorting to the stepladder and drill. Of course such a solution won't be as good as actual overhead speakers but it's a tidier solution that's less likely to end in divorce. If you don't want to replace your existing speakers, and we're sure many of you won't, there is also the option of Dolby Atmos-enabled speaker modules. These are designed to complement your existing speakers, you simply place the modules right on top of them.


If Atmos is not a channel-based system, why are there predefined speaker positions?

Dolby has decided that because Atmos is new to the domestic market, there will initially be a few defined “reference” speaker configurations to ensure that early customers have the best experience possible, whilst retaining the option to keep most of the equipment they already have. Among those initially defined setups are the 5.1.2 configuration, which involves adding two ceiling or Dolby Atmos enabled speakers to a traditional 5.1 system, and the 7.1.4 configuration, which starts with a traditional 7.1 system and adds four ceiling or Dolby Atmos enabled speakers. Of course, this is just the beginning and because Atmos is object-based there will be the opportunity to add many other speaker configurations later. In fact the Trinnov Audio Altitude 32 processor mentioned earlier already offers Atmos with up to 32 channels.





Where should I put my new speakers?

So you've got your Atmos capable receiver and your overhead speakers or special Atmos speakers, what next? Well you need to decide which Atmos configuration is best for you. This is undoubtedly going to depend on practical considerations such as space and the number of channels of amplification that your receiver has built in.

If you have 9 channels of amplification, you have the option of a 5.1.4 or 7.1.2 configurations utilising ceiling mounted, or Dolby Atmos-enabled speakers. A 5.1.4 speaker configuration is based upon a traditional 5.1 speaker layout complemented by four overhead or Dolby Atmos-enabled speakers. A 7.1.2 configuration is based on a 7.1 speaker layout with 2 overhead, or Dolby Atmos-enabled speakers.

If you have a receiver with 11 channels of amplification like Onkyo's TX-NR3030 then you have a choice of going as high as a 9.1.2 configuration with two overhead or Dolby Atmos-enabled speakers and two width speakers or a 7.1.4 configuration with standard 7.1 setup augmented by four overheard or Dolby Atmos-enabled speakers. Of course if money is no object, you could go for the full 32-channel configuration with 10 overhead speakers.

You can see the four initial "reference" configurations in the diagrams shown in this article and if you plan on adding overhead speakers the basic positioning is two at the front for a 5.1.2 or 7.1.2 setup. If you plan on going for all four overhead speakers (5.1.4 or 7.1.4), two will be positioned near the front and two more at the rear, above and just behind the main listening position. The final current configuration would be 9.1.2 which has two overhead speakers at the front and two at the sides, between the front and side speakers of a standard 7.1 configuration.


Dolby Atmos is designed to be backwards compatible and can be delivered via Blu-ray or video streaming services.


Where can I get Dolby Atmos content?

It would appear that Dolby Atmos is backwards compatible and so can be delivered on Blu-ray and through video streaming services. Dolby claim they have developed new scalable algorithms and extensions to Dolby TrueHD, for Blu-ray, and Dolby Digital Plus, for the leading streaming video providers. Both formats now support Dolby Atmos sound, meaning that you’ll be able to play Atmos movies from your Blu-ray player or through your favorite streaming services. And with 120 films already mixed in Dolby Atmos and more on the way, there shouldn't be a shortage of Atmos content to play on your new system.


Will I have to replace my Blu-ray player or HDMI cables?

No, any Blu-ray player that fully conforms to the Blu-ray specification can play a Dolby Atmos movie without a firmware update. Just remember to set your player to audio bitsteam output mode. There’s also no need to buy new HDMI cables because the current HDMI spec fully supports Dolby Atmos audio.


What if I build an Atmos system but want to play content that isn’t in Atmos?

Don't worry, your new Dolby Atmos capable receiver or processor will still support all the other formats that are currently available, so you can still play stereo, 5.1, or 7.1 content on your new system. Although you will also have the option to use Dolby's Atmos technology to automatically adapt any channel-based signal to use the full capabilities of your new system, including your overhead speakers, ensuring that you hear the most immersive sound possible.

It certainly sounds very exciting and I'm currently adding four overhead speakers to my home cinema so that when the new Dolby Atmos capable receivers are released, I'll be able to provide you with an in-depth review of both the receivers themselves and Dolby Atmos.

So what do you think? Are you also excited at the prospect of a new sound format? Are you planning to add overhead speakers to your home cinema or do you prefer the idea of upward firing speakers as a more realistic alternative? Please let us know in the thread below.
http://www.avforums.com/article/a-guide-to-dolby-atmos-home-cinema-surround-sound.10476
 
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