La III Guerra Mundial o la II Guerra Fría
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Habría que ver ahora cómo actúa Polonia a tal caso.
Polonia no va a hacer nada más allá de un trolleo si no tiene detrás al primo de Zumosol. Ojo, que no están cojos, pero que no hace nada, y si bien son muy toca huevos dentro del Tratado con los Bálticos, la defensa de las tres repúblicas dependen de las fuerzas que allí ya tenemos desplegadas. Pero esto si tiene respuesta será de refuerzo y decir que Putin es malo
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Ya ha habido conversaciones entre el presidente polaco y Zelenski y también entre Biden y Andrzej Duda
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Y Duda que pinta ahí? Será el PM el que esté al mando.
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Esto, a ver... Que el Ministerio de Exteriores polacos ha llamado al embajador ruso a que de toda la información posible. Parece que en Bali habrá un encuentro extraordinario de miembros del G7 (Antonio no estará dando solución al conflicto y esto hará más difícil encontrar la vía de la paz que anhelamos) tras el ataque en Polonia mañana, que también se celebrará una reunión de los embajadores de los países de la Alianza y que... como hemos dicho los rusos dicen que todo son insidias.
De todos modos me están quedando unas ideas sobre lo acontecido muy Otanistas, y de cara a mi obligación para obtener la verdad en este foro dejo otra visión de lo que ha pasado, por si está teoría tuviera interés
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De todos modos me están quedando unas ideas sobre lo acontecido muy Otanistas, y de cara a mi obligación para obtener la verdad en este foro dejo otra visión de lo que ha pasado, por si está teoría tuviera interés
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Bueno, supongo que dirán que se trataba de un error. Incluso puede que sea cierto.
Pues nada, que Deeply Concerned. Todo ha sido un desafortunado accidente debido al lanzamiento de Rusia de 100 misiles sobre Ucrania y que... aquí no ha pasado nada. Nos olvidamos de Königsberg y tras unas horas pasamos de perro grande a perro pequeñito.
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Polonia comunicará a la OTAN que misil era ucraniano y no invocará el Tratado
El Gobierno de Polonia va a comunicar este miércoles a sus socios de la OTAN que el misil que impactó el martes en su territorio y causó dos muertos fue disparado por el Ejército ucraniano, dijo a Efe una fuente diplomática europea.Según la fuente, que pidió anonimato, Varsovia no invocará finalmente ante sus socios de la Alianza el artículo IV del Tratado del Atlántico Norte que prevé consultas entre aliados cuando esté amenazada "la integridad territorial, la independencia política o la seguridad de cualquiera de las Partes".
Vuelvo a la pregunta.... ¿Entonces la OTAN no responderá militarmente a Ucrania a causa del misil que impactó en Polonia? En que quedamos, si hay un ataque se responde o depende?
Si Marruecos impacta en territorio español un misil... que se hace, esperamos a ver lo que nos dicen o que´?
En otro medio leo "que nada indica que fuera un ataque intencionado contra Polonia", vale.... que el criterio es la intencionalidad, pues muy bien. Yo empiezo a tirar piedras al cielo sin intención, sólo por ver el efecto de la ley de la gravedad, si luego esta hace que te de a ti en la cabeza pues no pasa nada, porque yo he demostrado que no tenia intencionalidad de causar daño, sino de probar el efecto de la gravedad.
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No es lo mismo un ataque deliberado que un accidente. Claro que hay diferencias. Ayer se lanzaron un centenar de misiles rusos dirigidos a infraestructuras energéticas y el pasado 10 de octubre, si no me equivoco también se lanzaron 80 y tantos. El misil ese S300 es utilizado como defensa antiaérea.
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Update (0017ET): The missile that struck Poland may have been fired by Ukrainian forces at an incoming Russian missile, AP reports, citing three unidentified US officials.
Update (2100ET): So much for Russia almost starting World War 3 (even if under the guise of a false flag). As we noted earlier (see below), even pro-Ukraine accounts noted that the S-300 SAM that fell in Poland was a Ukrainian one. And while Biden will never admit that Ukraine nearly started war with Poland (as much as the deep state via its AP connections or the Ukraine president would have wanted Russia to get the blame), moments ago Biden explicitly said that based on preliminary information, it is "unlikely" that the rocket strike in Poland originated in Russia. Oops.
“There is plenty of information to contest that. I don’t want to say until we completely investigate. It’s unlikely in the minds of [sic] the trajectory that it was fired from Russia. But we’ll see."
So if it was not fired by Russia, where was it fired from?
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Here are the highlights from Biden's briefing:
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Update(1920ET): Polish President Andrzej Duda is seeking to calm the public, and has issued a statement saying there's as yet no definite evidence of who fired missile that fell in Poland. But he did say that a state of heightened readiness has been introduced for all Polish services, including the police, firefighters, border guards, according to breaking international reports.
Duda further said the military is increasing the monitoring of national airspace as investigators are still working to establish the causes of the explosion. He urged all Poles to remain. He added that "there are no indications that today's incident would be repeated."
Earlier Warsaw announced a "Russia made" missile landed on the border village of Przewodów, and Poland's Foreign Ministry said it has summoned the Russian ambassador for a meeting. However, it should be noted that Ukraine's anti-air defense arsenal has always been "Russia made" - especially its S-300 systems. Poland's statement is interesting in that it did not say "Russia launched" missile, leaving the question of the missile's origins open.
All of the above points in the direction that this was actually a projectile fired by Ukraine, as some of our coverage below suggested.
Update(1715ET): Despite the alarmist talk all afternoon that NATO could invoke the Article 5 collective defense treaty over the alleged Russian rocket attack on a border town, the result of the Polish government national security emergency meeting is going in the opposite direction, and it seems there won't be escalation today.
Polish govt spokesman Piotr Mueller said Poland has agreed to "increase its military readiness" - though crucially still admitted "It was not clear what caused the explosion in the southeastern town of Hrubieszów." Russia has vehemently denied it was behind the explosions which killed two people. So instead of Article 5, Warsaw is merely talking the much lesser known Article 4. Article 4 requires "consultations" when a NATO member is threatened.
It is entirely possible that amid this large barrage of rockets, which also triggered Ukraine's anti-air defense measures, an errant projectile strayed into NATO member Poland's territory. Polish Senate Advisor Marcin Zaborowski said late in the day that if indeed it was accidental, Moscow should immediately apologize. So far the Kremlin has denounced the reports as a "deliberate provocation" - suggesting that Ukraine's backers are seeking to draw NATO into escalation.
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Poland Missile Strike May Have Come From Ukraine Self-Defense: US Officials
Update (0017ET): The missile that struck Poland may have been fired by Ukrainian forces at an incoming Russian missile, AP reports, citing three unidentified US officials.
The Associated Press also points out that the above assessment, in addition to President Biden's comments that it was "unlikely" the missile was fired from Russia, contradicts information earlier Tuesday from a senior US intelligence official who told AP "that Russian missiles crossed into Poland."
Update (2100ET): So much for Russia almost starting World War 3 (even if under the guise of a false flag). As we noted earlier (see below), even pro-Ukraine accounts noted that the S-300 SAM that fell in Poland was a Ukrainian one. And while Biden will never admit that Ukraine nearly started war with Poland (as much as the deep state via its AP connections or the Ukraine president would have wanted Russia to get the blame), moments ago Biden explicitly said that based on preliminary information, it is "unlikely" that the rocket strike in Poland originated in Russia. Oops.
“There is plenty of information to contest that. I don’t want to say until we completely investigate. It’s unlikely in the minds of [sic] the trajectory that it was fired from Russia. But we’ll see."
So if it was not fired by Russia, where was it fired from?
Poland Missile Strike May Have Come From Ukraine Self-Defense: US Officials | ZeroHedge
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Here are the highlights from Biden's briefing:
- Says he briefed NATO, G7 members on his talks with Poland
- Leaders have agreed to support investing to figure out exactly what happened
- Leaders will then determine next steps after finding out what ahppened
- Russia continues to escalate its attacks in Ukraine
- There is preliminary information that contests whether Poland incident was due to a missile fired from Russia
- Based on the trajectory its unlikely the missile was fired from Russia
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Update(1920ET): Polish President Andrzej Duda is seeking to calm the public, and has issued a statement saying there's as yet no definite evidence of who fired missile that fell in Poland. But he did say that a state of heightened readiness has been introduced for all Polish services, including the police, firefighters, border guards, according to breaking international reports.
Duda further said the military is increasing the monitoring of national airspace as investigators are still working to establish the causes of the explosion. He urged all Poles to remain. He added that "there are no indications that today's incident would be repeated."
Earlier Warsaw announced a "Russia made" missile landed on the border village of Przewodów, and Poland's Foreign Ministry said it has summoned the Russian ambassador for a meeting. However, it should be noted that Ukraine's anti-air defense arsenal has always been "Russia made" - especially its S-300 systems. Poland's statement is interesting in that it did not say "Russia launched" missile, leaving the question of the missile's origins open.
All of the above points in the direction that this was actually a projectile fired by Ukraine, as some of our coverage below suggested.
Update(1715ET): Despite the alarmist talk all afternoon that NATO could invoke the Article 5 collective defense treaty over the alleged Russian rocket attack on a border town, the result of the Polish government national security emergency meeting is going in the opposite direction, and it seems there won't be escalation today.
Polish govt spokesman Piotr Mueller said Poland has agreed to "increase its military readiness" - though crucially still admitted "It was not clear what caused the explosion in the southeastern town of Hrubieszów." Russia has vehemently denied it was behind the explosions which killed two people. So instead of Article 5, Warsaw is merely talking the much lesser known Article 4. Article 4 requires "consultations" when a NATO member is threatened.
"A moment ago it was decided to increase the readiness of some military units in Poland and other uniformed services," Mueller told reporters in a press briefing. Across Ukraine and as far west as Lviv, Russian airstrikes pummeled Ukraine's energy infrastructure on Tuesday. The Hill reports after a terrifying day for Ukraine, "Russia’s widespread missile attack on Ukraine – firing what Zelensky said was 90 missiles – was aimed primarily at the country’s electrical infrastructure following an embarrassing Kremlin retreat from the key Ukrainian city of Kherson."
It is entirely possible that amid this large barrage of rockets, which also triggered Ukraine's anti-air defense measures, an errant projectile strayed into NATO member Poland's territory. Polish Senate Advisor Marcin Zaborowski said late in the day that if indeed it was accidental, Moscow should immediately apologize. So far the Kremlin has denounced the reports as a "deliberate provocation" - suggesting that Ukraine's backers are seeking to draw NATO into escalation.
A lo mejor estamos hablando con nuestros socios rusos para complementar fuerzas y darle una paliza a Ucrania entre los dos por lo del SAM de ayer.
Me sorprende lo que han tardado porque eso es algo que se debe saber desde un primer momento. Un S300 no es un SAM extraño de otro planeta, sino que es un sistema antiaéreo muy popular en ciertos países.
Me sorprende lo que han tardado porque eso es algo que se debe saber desde un primer momento. Un S300 no es un SAM extraño de otro planeta, sino que es un sistema antiaéreo muy popular en ciertos países.
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Y más con el radar RAT-31DL que estaba situado a 40 km.
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Os acordáis de la muerte de Stremousov por accidente de tráfico? Cuando la ciudad de Jersón fue liberada hace días?
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Pues no veas qué accidente no?
Muere Kirill Stremousov, vicegobernador de Jersón, en un accidente de coche
El vicegobernador de Jersón instalado por Rusia, Kirill Stremousov, ha muerto en un accidente automovilístico, según informan funcionarios locales y
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Pues no veas qué accidente no?
El otro era de Bilbao